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    mk



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:01 pm    Post subject: Change in clickbank ranking algorithm Reply with quote

    I have just noticed that clickbank has updated it's market place. There seems to be a significant change in ranking algorithm. Does anyone know more about it?
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    newman



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Don't know what they did but I know I like it A LOT!
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    newman



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I feel I need to clarify that statement because there also seems to be something strange in the rankings.

    I have one product that I sell boat loads of and it has moved up like 4 clicks in it's category and that of course makes me happy.


    However I have another product that I have had live for 4 months and I swear I have sold maybe 7 times and it is #13 in a category of over 51 items! Now I have had zero refunds in those sales, but I don't think that it is deserving of that position. Unless the 38 people under me all have products that are DOA.

    Just my thoughts.
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    DrewH



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    what is this all about?

    PAYOUT STATS: $earned/sale: $13.60, %earned/sale: 70.0%, %referred: 90.0%, #affs: 530


    Did they just add this?
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    DrewH



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    How do they judge how many affiliates you have?
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    WayneB



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Their earned/sale amount just doesn't match up with several products
    I checked out, unless they are figuring what the average commission
    per sale is after refunds. Many products I checked their selling price and
    their commission payout, and the figure I come up with is more than
    what is showing in the marketplace. If that is what they are doing, that
    would be a very good idea, showing what the average commission per
    sale is after refunds. Would give us a way to guess what the refund rate
    is.
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Yea, your right wayne,

    Im not sure what they are doing here.

    The need to address us somewhere on how their doing their calculations.
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    ClickBobby



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    DrewH wrote:

    The need to address us somewhere on how their doing their calculations.


    Nothing on the blog yet - http://clickbank.com/cblog/


    Bobby
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    ClickBobby



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    WayneB wrote:
    Their earned/sale amount just doesn't match up with several products I checked out, unless they are figuring what the average commission per sale is after refunds. Many products I checked their selling price and their commission payout, and the figure I come up with is more than what is showing in the marketplace...


    For one of my products, the earned/sale amount is lower than what affiliates actually earn per sale and I haven't had a refund on that product in months.

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    Harvey Segal
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Wayne,

    I think the figures are probably taken over the
    whole account, not just Item 1.


    Drew,


    The 'number of affiliates' could mean the number who made
    a sale during the period.

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    ClickBobby



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Hmmm. Rosalind Gardner has been knocked out of the #1 position in the Business to Business category. She had the #1 position for a long time.

    Bobby
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    ClickBobby



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Harvey Segal wrote:
    I think the figures are probably taken over the
    whole account, not just Item 1.


    In the example I cited above, there was only one item in my account.


    Quote:
    The 'number of affiliates' could mean the number who made
    a sale during the period.


    Do you mean "pay period" or some other period? Based on one of my products, the figures don't seem to match either of the last two completed pay periods nor the current period to date.

    Bobby
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    WayneB



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I know of many products that only have that one product with
    that account, and the earned/sale amount is still different. I just
    thought it might be the average amount per sale after refunds,
    because with a few products that I am familiar with, it would come
    out about right with what the average commission would be after
    refunds. But who knows what it is, maybe it just isn't calculating
    the figures correctly yet, and they need to do a little more work
    with it.
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    (Decided this post didn't really mean much so removed it)

    Last edited by WayneB on Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:56 pm; edited 1 time in total
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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    If this helps,
    My site which moved up 4 slots and the biggest change is that the number of different affiliates who have made a sale has increased a lot since my last payperiod. Net Sales are up and down 5% from month to month and the end of February pay period is two days shorter than the average pay period so that tells me if it was based on pay period sales then end of Feb would have resulted in a downward or no move?

    If I had to guess I would say that influences in ranking are (in this order)

    Number of different affiliates making sales
    Gross Sales
    Net Sales - (gross less refunds)
    Chargebacks (as a reflection of customer service)


    If refunds and chargebacks had a big huge influence on ranking then many of the "high sales/worthless sites" that we have discussed in other threads would have a much lower rating then they do.

    There are not that many metrics to figure into the equation,
    so my guess is that Number of Different affiliates and Gross sales drive the ranking the most.

    You could test the theory by bringing up two CB products on the same day, have 10 fellow CBSF users buy both products then have half the users get a refund for one product then see what the results are, a nice controlled experiment.
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    WayneB



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    PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    newman wrote:
    If this helps,
    the end of February pay period is two days shorter than the average pay period so that tells me if it was based on pay period sales then end of Feb would have resulted in a downward or no move?


    You could be right with your theory, but the shorter period for the end
    of February would have effected everyone the same way, since
    everyone would have had a shorter period, so it would still average out.
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    salesmch



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    PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:53 am    Post subject: New clickbank stats Reply with quote

    What does the % referred mean?
    Thanks
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    WayneB



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    PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    I think it probably means the percent of sales made by affiliates.
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    newman



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    PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Wayne
    re:february

    You are correct!
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    Harvey Segal
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    PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

    OK.

    Here is the new formula

    http://clickbank.com/ranking.html


    Harvey
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