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iamarichkid



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Experts - Please help the new kid Reply with quote

75% Affiliate Payout $34.50 Per Sale - Ultimate Wealth Package

Comments, suggestions from super affiliates are welcome.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are you asking us? Can't you use your Ultimate Wealth Package to make $1000's online?

Or wait, Surprised Maybe your product isn't what you really say it is.

As for your other site selling for $4000? I think you're WAY off the ballpark. Frankly I could copy the site and get a domain name for less than $10. Besides, it would take me over 5 months to MAYBE make back my money if the $25 a day profit you say it's making is net profit and not gross and nothing changes.

Honestly, my advice is for you to keep learning and reading up online. Read through this entire forum and you will have a new outlook on what you should be doing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iamarichkid,

Your site is nearly there, but missing some important features.
Whilst some of the copy is ok it really looks like you have slapped it together really fast.

1. You have links to other products.
Why would an affiliate want to send you traffic (which costs them money) if there is a possibility that they will leave your site and go and buy something else?

2. Your sales copy is not very enticing
You have simple spelling mistakes and it doesn't flow all that well.
You start with some written text and then just have a massive section with all of the products listed.
I would break that up with some text content or buy it now links all the way through. Sort of like
I would go and look at your competitors sites, and the number one sites in clickbank to get ideas for the sales letter.

3. Your testimonials look fake
If they are fake then please take them off the site.
If they aren't then they certainly needs some work to make them more convincing.

4. I personally think it is too cheap.
You have shown them the rrp of each product all the way through the page, but when you get to the order section it says "normally $179.99" but todays special is $19.99.
You should really add up the RRP cost of all the products and then make a very strong mention saying something like:
"these 112 ebooks normally worth $4885 are only going to cost you $179"
Then after that you can say your special is $19 or $49 or whatever.

You need to get across the point they are getting a massive amount of value for money.
This is where studying how other people are doing is a good idea.

I would also suggest that you might be better off finding a Unique Selling Position (USP) for these products.
There are master resale rights sites everywhere at the moment.
You pay $29 a month and get hundreds of products.
Then no one does anything with them, or knows what to do with them.
If you could create a site that not only sells resale rights products but then guides the members on how to proift from them it would sell a lot better.
That would be your USP. You would show people how to profit.
Then you will have sincere and truthful testimonials and members telling anyone they know to get onboard.

Or there are other USP's you could look into like creating your own unique products that no other resale rights site will have.

5. Capture visitors email addresses with an enticing offer like a discount or free report or ebook or whatever.

6. Get the site perfect and then test it before making affilaites send there hard earned traffic to the site.

There are a heap of things that are good, but it just needs lots of little things fixed up.

This is all just my personal opinion and there are people here more qualified than I am to answer your question but thought I would give it a shot anyway.

cheers

z
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a f/t affiliate I wouldn't want to bother promoting anything that will only pay me around $11.50. My rule of thumb is to only promote products that pay me $20+ per sale. After all a campaign for a product paying $11 per sale to me as an affiliate will still take the same amount of time, effort and investment to develop (using PPC) as a campaign paying me $25+ so why would I bother? Have you tested conversion? how well does it convert? It's just possible that it could be worth promoting under very targeted, cheap keywords IF conversion is high enough but like I say, it's the same amount of effort for me as a campaign that will pay me twice as much SO WHY WOULD I BOTHER? It's nothing personal - just the affiliate point of view.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Traffic, and Conversions Reply with quote

Lesson Number One.

Do not sell TheUltimateWealthPackage unless you, yourself are FILTHY Stinking RICH. Ditch that product altogether because from your posts, I can tell you, I would not buy or promote such title from a broke author. It's called fraud, false advertising. Start over.

The rich jerk review is ok, a little busy, but its ok.

As for 66% on $19.99 on a money making product. Forget about getting affiliates to promote that on PPC. I'm working on a $97 product with a 75% commish. Let's get with the program here. Slap on a $2 to $3 paypal commish per sale to the top super affiliates, and your rock and roll like the Rich Jerk says. 66% is not 75%, didn't you read his book like you said? Internet Marketing is not for everyone. You better put the hammer down and apply what you read.

Sorry to be harsh, but someones got to tell you the way it is, and you gotta listen if your serious about this thing called IM.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: zer0sum Reply Reply with quote

zer0sum I really appreciate all your insight. I am only 22 years old and I have been an entrepreneur since the ripe old age of 13 when I started my first business. I am very successful in several businesses that I own, however I am a novice when it comes to selling information online and affiliate marketing. I have decided to re-vamp the site and it should be finished within the next 24 hours. I agree with many of your points of view. Do you currently have any products for sale online I would be interested in looking at them. Thank you for all your advice.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: sitepacker reply Reply with quote

This is in reply to sitepacker . Just so you know I have a net worth in the Millions and I am only 22 years old. I am revamping the site and posting pictures of my self , my house and my cars. So as far as your comment about the author being broke.... your obviously thinking about your own financial status. I have investments that probably make me more in a week than you make in a year. So if you think being broke means having a net worth in the millions and driving a hummer and living in a mansion at the age of 22 you have some issues. Sorry to be so harsh.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: mark reply Reply with quote

this is a reply to mark,

I appreciate your reply I understand that the product is priced far to low. I am currently working on revamping the site and the price as well as the affiliate payout to 75%. I am setting the new price at $46 with a 75% payout. Doing this along with adding new content to the package and revamping the sales page I think should help out. Thanks for your input.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: MilesBaker reply Reply with quote

this is a reply to MilesBaker

I noticed you have a cocky attitude in many of your replys. Nice... but considering there are new people in here trying to learn you are probably scaring many of them away. I appreciate your reply even though it was not the nicest. I am very successful in many business ventures, however I am new to affiliate marketing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just so you know I have a net worth in the Millions and I am only 22 years old. I am revamping the site and posting pictures of my self , my house and my cars. So as far as your comment about the author being broke.... your obviously thinking about your own financial status. I have investments that probably make me more in a week than you make in a year. So if you think being broke means having a net worth in the millions and driving a hummer and living in a mansion at the age of 22 you have some issues.



Rolling Eyes

Maybe you can enlighten us less fortunate as to alternate ways of making millions then....aside from affiliate marketing, where did you make your vast fortune?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: WebFusion reply Reply with quote

this is a reply to WebFusion

If you really want to know a little more about me you can check out a project I was working on, but have decided to cancel. However the web site should still be active for another few days. It's not very professional, but if you doubt my success you can check it out. www.markmyhummer.com O yeah and if you still doubt me you can also check out something I am working on with a few of my "millionaire" friends yeah were all under 23 years of age. www.milliondollarroadtrip.com . If you really want to feel dumb I can fax you a copy of my bank statement. JK you would probably too jealous. But keep the smart ass comments coming I enjoy reading poor peoples point of view, it makes me laugh.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YAWN.

Ok bud...whatever you say. I'm off to collect my food stamps...us poor folk gotta eat.

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It's not very professional, but if you doubt my success you can check it out. www.markmyhummer.com


What the hell does that prove? That you can copy and past a pic of a hummer onto a site that looks like it was made by my paperboy?

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O yeah and if you still doubt me you can also check out something I am working on with a few of my "millionaire" friends yeah were all under 23 years of age. www.milliondollarroadtrip.com


Again....that "proves" squat. Looks like a cheap flash template that anyone can buy for 10 bucks.

If you're wondering why those of us who know better are questioning your posts....it's because there are far too many pseudo-guru's trying to sell "how to make money" products when in fact they haven't made a dime online.

Maybe you are loaded....if so, kudos to you. BUT...a couple of amateurish websites don't "prove" a thing. A 22 year old who claims to be a multi-millionaire could, in fact, have a great potential "how to" product to sell, provided they were in fact legit and could demonstrate how they made those millions so quickly.

If, on the other hand, a person is simply "posing" as a multi-millionaire, attempting to repackage has-been resale products, and throwing up pictures of expensive toys with his/her picture copy and pasted next to them....well, that's another thing all together, now isn't it?

Another question....why on earth would a millionaire bother selling ad space on his hummer? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: WebFusion reply Reply with quote

this is in reply to WebFusion

It's ok, I know you are jealous ... but hey not everyone can be as young and wealthy as me.... It's a hard life doing whatever you want to do when ever you want.

I can't stand people who are such cynics. Instead of being happy for other people who have become a success you are always trying to bring them down. This is why people like this will never be wealthy and happy.

Thank you to all of the people in this forum who actually have useful helpful advice. You are the people who make this forum what it is not all of the cynics who are so negative about peoples ideas all the time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: webfusion reply #2 Reply with quote

you ask ? Another question....why on earth would a millionaire bother selling ad space on his hummer?

Why not, do you not like money ??? do you not like coming up with new ideas and then watching them become a success ?

So what if I have millions , why shouldn't I sell ad space on my hummer ?

Only poor people would ask a question like that, because when I brought it up to my other friends who are all young and successful, they thought it was a good idea. You know what so did my real estate mentor, he's worth between 80-90 million and he thought it was a wonderful idea.

You should try associating with people who are successful. Then maybe some of their success will rub off on you. But until then you are going to stay broke.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You should try associating with people who are successful. Then maybe some of their success will rub off on you. But until then you are going to stay broke.


Wow...great idea, Can I come to your house? I would love to see someone so successful in action. This minimum wage is killing me.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WebfusionWow...great idea, Can I come to your house? I would love to see someone so successful in action. This minimum wage is killing me.

Just to make sure I know how to get there....

Let's see....According to the WHOIS info on your sites, you live in the 44203 zip code. So....after having just looked at your address via Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=526+Wooster+Rd+N+Barberton,+Ohio+44203&ll=41.022448,-81.598098&spn=0.004727,0.012016&t=k) , I decided to investigate the average home price in your area. Looks like a nice little middle-class area, but I can't seem to find any mansions...hmmm....in fact, the most expensive home I can find in Barberton is going for $280,000. Or...maybe your mansion is in nearby Cuyahoga Falls (where your admin contact, Larry lives). BUT....the most expensive home I can find there is $199,000....hmmm...Also looks liek you live pretty close to the railroad tracks...doesn't that get noisy?


AAahhh darn Webfusion, his moms gonna be pissed when she finds out you told everybody how to get to her house.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WebFusion wrote:
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You should try associating with people who are successful. Then maybe some of their success will rub off on you. But until then you are going to stay broke.


Wow...great idea, Can I come to your house? I would love to see someone so successful in action. This minimum wage is killing me.

Just to make sure I know how to get there....

Let's see....According to the WHOIS info on your sites, you live in the 44203 zip code. So....after having just looked at your address via Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=526+Wooster+Rd+N+Barberton,+Ohio+44203&ll=41.022448,-81.598098&spn=0.004727,0.012016&t=k) , I decided to investigate the average home price in your area. Looks like a nice little middle-class area, but I can't seem to find any mansions...hmmm....in fact, the most expensive home I can find in Barberton is going for $280,000. Or...maybe your mansion is in nearby Cuyahoga Falls (where your admin contact, Larry lives). BUT....the most expensive home I can find there is $199,000....hmmm...Also looks liek you live pretty close to the railroad tracks...doesn't that get noisy?

Since there's no hummer dealers in your town either, you must have had to drive quite a ways to pick up your rolling billboard....which dealer did you go to?


Nice job WebFusion.

Hey Mr. "Millionare Kid", you shouldn't mess with WebFusion.

Also, if you have so much money why don't you start hiring copyrighters and web designers or buying some nice web templates. You could also stop calling other people broke because you have no idea what other people are making.

Congrats to if you are really a wealthy entrepreneur, but your behavior on this message board so far doesn't reveal any maturity and I would guess that your probably a completely full of baloney seventeen year old living with your parents.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

You guys are real sharp using goolge maps, good for you.
Im happy you were able to locate my office. If you ding bats want to know my house is in Bath Ohio. Its funny how you found out my friends are poor too. Maybe you should check out one of ryan and larrys many sites http://www.paymetosee.com He's one of my "POOR" friends who is going on the roadtrip with me. You guys are so funny. O yeah ryan has a mansion too. But you probably won't believe that either even though there is a newspapaer article on how this 20 year old kid bought a mansion Lebron James was looking at buying. http://www.paymetosee.com/house.html Only poor people would take the time to try to prove that someone wealthy isn't.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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this is a reply to MilesBaker

I noticed you have a cocky attitude in many of your replys. Nice... but considering there are new people in here trying to learn you are probably scaring many of them away. I appreciate your reply even though it was not the nicest. I am very successful in many business ventures, however I am new to affiliate marketing.



Miles, I bet if you turned that picture of yourself into a cartoon like the Rich Jerk, he would be a lot nicer to you Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

iamarichkid wrote:
You guys are real sharp using goolge maps, good for you.
Im happy you were able to locate my office. If you ding bats want to know my house is in Bath Ohio. Its funny how you found out my friends are poor too. Maybe you should check out one of ryan and larrys many sites http://www.paymetosee.com He's one of my "POOR" friends who is going on the roadtrip with me. You guys are so funny. O yeah ryan has a mansion too. But you probably won't believe that either even though there is a newspapaer article on how this 20 year old kid bought a mansion Lebron James was looking at buying. http://www.paymetosee.com/house.html Only poor people would take the time to try to prove that someone wealthy isn't.


Ahh...this gets better and better. NOW your using an example of a product that was SHUT DOWN by the FTC in 2003 (see http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/05/swnetforce.htm):

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A third work-at-home scheme, called "Instant Internet Empires," touted the money making potential of five pre-packaged Internet businesses, promising that buyers could make more than $115,000 a year using the product. The defendants told consumers that the product would enable them to make money while they sleep. What consumers received for their $47.77 investment was the right to reproduce the defendants' advertising Web site and try to resell its contents to other consumers. To achieve the promised $115,000 in earnings, consumers each would have to sell the product to 2,400 additional consumers, who would each need to sell to 2,400 additional consumers to achieve the same earnings, and so on. According to the FTC, by the third generation of the scheme, participants would need to make a total of 13,829,760,000 sales, more than twice the earth's population, for each of them to achieve the advertised earnings. In fact, many purchasers failed to make even one sale after months of trying.


You might want to tell your friend that when the FTC shut down that product, they also seized the person's assets, and froze his accounts. In the end, he was forced to pay over $600,000 in fines.

In factm your "friend" is such an upstanding, honest millionaire that he simply used a photo-editing program to change the date on the "bank statement" that isn't even his! here's a little proof for ya:

Your friend's site: http://www.paymetosee.com/

Other sites touting the same program (look at the dates on the "bank statement":

http://www.vinbo.com/instant-internet-empires/
http://www.amr.com/instant_internet_empire/

That's just a couple of the sites alsot trying to rip people off.

Keep em coming, kid. This is fun.


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