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    wayne



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    PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Just an update: Steve requested more specific information on my
    account, and has said he will keep an eye on it for a few days. My
    sales did start up again Friday and I had a pretty good sale day on
    Saturday. The order form seems to be coming up much faster now
    than it did before for me. I have no idea what happened on
    Thursday, I had 433 targeted clicks from Adwords and not one sale,
    but I hope the sales keep coming in more consistently now.

    Steve, I've sent you a couple more private messages this weekend,
    but they don't appear to have been sent yet. They are still in my
    outbox, and I think they would be in my sentbox if they were sent.
    But basically I said that the order page has been coming up much
    faster for me now than it did before, and I haven't been able to get
    an error page again this weekend like I was getting in the past.

    Update Monday morning: Steve, I got a 404 error page again this
    morning and sent you the information you requested.
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    wayne



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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    Steve,

    Check your pm's. Sales aren't looking good again today.

    Wayne
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    WebFusion



    Joined: 19 Apr 2004
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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    So although you have pre-sold that offer already, you get nothing, zip, nada!

    First cookie should always get the credit IMHO.


    Let me tell you why you're wrong...

    I've been promoting CB products almost since they opened their doors. As such, I grew very adept at writing good ad copy for my various sites, whcih I vigorously tested and re-tested until it go the results I wanted (i.e. 1.5%+ conversion rate).

    Now, on one of my high-ranking sites, I rpomoted 2-3 good pulling products. This was during the time when CB was using the rediculous "first affiliate get's the sales" rule.

    A competitor who always seemed to outrank me by 1 or 2 spots in the top 5 on google (who has since been blown to search engine oblivion) started tracking which CB products I was promoting. Like clockwork, as soon as I changed/added a new CB product, he would be right behind me, adding it to his (piece of crap, spam ridden) site...sometime within hours of me changing mine. Care to guess why?

    Simple! Since CB was giving the first affiliate credit, he didn;t have to worry about writing/testing good ad copy. As long as he could get that inital click, he know that a good portion of those people would be "sold" on the product(s) by my site, giving him an easy commission every time.

    If you can't sell the customer...life's a rock. The better site/ad copy should ALWAYS get the sale...and that is the copy that get's the customer to finally open that wallet. If you've followed up with a customer half a dozen times and STILL haven't sold them, frankly, you don't deserve the sale.

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    hotbobs



    Joined: 18 Apr 2004
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    PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

    here is another reason why last should get the sale

    if first cookie wins, all the heavy hitters would send out millions of emails between them, wouldnt matter if nobody bought first time because they would be cookied.

    Now you spend money on ads all day long but the heavy hitters pull the commish with out having to any more work.

    with first cookie, all you need do is buy a million guaranteed hits, doesnt matter they wont buy first time because there cookied, just sit back and let everyone else do ads and wait for the checks.

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    Tony Newton



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    PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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    Let me tell you why you're wrong...



    Erik

    I would'nt say I was wrong as such.

    After all, forums are about opinions and we all have them! Very Happy

    There have been some very good points put forward to this post, that have maybe changed my point of view on this matter.

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    PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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    Let me tell you why you're wrong...



    Erik

    I would'nt say I was wrong as such.

    After all, forums are about opinions and we all have them! Very Happy

    There have been some very good points put forward to this post, that have maybe changed my point of view on this matter.

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